when is we gona get rid of that borring temp map ???

when is we gona get rid of that borring temp map ???

I'd say get comfortable because waha is waiting for some more plugins to update.

Big__Red wrote:I'd say get comfortable because waha is waiting for some more plugins to update.

that was over 1 week ago he said that :O a lot of server have already updated !!

Tek, we have told you time and time again we don't know. We are not omniscient, and have no insight into how fast the bukkit dev team or the 20+ mod teams we rely on to run this server are doing. If you want an estimate, ask them.

But, in contrast to the other servers that are using the betas, we have opted for caution over expediency for your own sake. There are two scenarios that are guiding our decision not to update. First, we can update to an unstable bukkit build, and potentially destroy all our config files. This would erase mcMMO, jobs, iconomy, and towny. The other thing we can do is wait until a Recommended Build exists, and all the necessary security plugins are updated, and then update, avoiding all of the drama above.

Which seems better in this case? To lose everything and piss off all our members because we wanted to have the latest and greatest soonest? Or to wait patiently until we can guarantee data security?

And granted, the first scenario is a worst-case scenario, but the concept is still valid. Updating to a new version will render many of our plugins inoperable, and that means if someone griefs your house, tough luck, we have no idea who did it, nor any means of stopping them again or easily repairing the damage.

^ yup.

Esarai wrote:Tek, we have told you time and time again we don't know. We are not omniscient, and have no insight into how fast the bukkit dev team or the 20+ mod teams we rely on to run this server are doing. If you want an estimate, ask them.

But, in contrast to the other servers that are using the betas, we have opted for caution over expediency for your own sake. There are two scenarios that are guiding our decision not to update. First, we can update to an unstable bukkit build, and potentially destroy all our config files. This would erase mcMMO, jobs, iconomy, and towny. The other thing we can do is wait until a Recommended Build exists, and all the necessary security plugins are updated, and then update, avoiding all of the drama above.

Which seems better in this case? To lose everything and piss off all our members because we wanted to have the latest and greatest soonest? Or to wait patiently until we can guarantee data security?

And granted, the first scenario is a worst-case scenario, but the concept is still valid. Updating to a new version will render many of our plugins inoperable, and that means if someone griefs your house, tough luck, we have no idea who did it, nor any means of stopping them again or easily repairing the damage.

why not just make a backup of all files ? in case something goes wrong ?

Tek, give up they will never hurry. and i and so many members wont be back until the update has happened.

Critchley096 wrote:Tek, give up they will never hurry. and i and so many members wont be back until the update has happened.

i was hoping.... good that there is other good servers out there

Another option that we could do is go back to 1.1 untill 1.2 plugins have updated

wahakalol wrote:Another option that we could do is go back to 1.1 untill 1.2 plugins have updated

I think that as long as people are okay with downgrading, that shouldnt be a problem. And if they do have issues with jar files and stuff, id be more than happy to let them use my jar switcher along with my arsenal of jar files.

Also, would it be in any way possible to get the newest beta build, while slowly adding the plugins as they are upgraded? I think other than downgrading, that would be the best way to go.

Maybe we could also put this to a vote to see if people would be okay with downgrading, seeing as the previous poll has a clear outcome

I think a poll would be a great idea! But downgrading could be a pain for people that have no clue what's happening. And all of the new guys would most likely leave the server thinking it's gone.

Big__Red wrote:I think a poll would be a great idea! But downgrading could be a pain for people that have no clue what's happening. And all of the new guys would most likely leave the server thinking it's gone.

I'll be doing a major backup in the coming days (that or es will)
thanks to a lot of changes to bukkit, there's going to be a lot of redoing of plugin configs and I'm not going to have the time next week so unless es finds the time, then it'll be at least another week

wahakalol wrote:

Big__Red wrote:I think a poll would be a great idea! But downgrading could be a pain for people that have no clue what's happening. And all of the new guys would most likely leave the server thinking it's gone.

I'll be doing a major backup in the coming days (that or es will)
thanks to a lot of changes to bukkit, there's going to be a lot of redoing of plugin configs and I'm not going to have the time next week so unless es finds the time, then it'll be at least another week

Great! I'll be looking forward to it!

i would say stay on 1.2.3 and get the latest version (dev version) and the dev version of plugins, and then cange the config files.

it is not because of i dont know how to downgrade, but it is because i dont want to, as other server are updated to 1.2.3 and then i cant play on them without switching jar every time i start minecraft ...

Pochama999 wrote:I think that as long as people are okay with downgrading, that shouldnt be a problem. And if they do have issues with jar files and stuff, id be more than happy to let them use my jar switcher along with my arsenal of jar files.

Tek wrote:i would say stay on 1.2.3 and get the latest version (dev version) and the dev version of plugins, and then cange the config files.

it is not because of i dont know how to downgrade, but it is because i dont want to, as other server are updated to 1.2.3 and then i cant play on them without switching jar every time i start minecraft ...

Once again, if you have a problem with switching jar files, use a jar switcher, i use the NoBS minecraft Jar switcher, and I have a crapton of jar files, ranging from 1.1 minimap and tmi to 1.8.1 tales of kingdoms. All you need to do is ask, and ill send it either over skype or some other way.

Pochama999 wrote:

Pochama999 wrote:I think that as long as people are okay with downgrading, that shouldnt be a problem. And if they do have issues with jar files and stuff, id be more than happy to let them use my jar switcher along with my arsenal of jar files.

Tek wrote:i would say stay on 1.2.3 and get the latest version (dev version) and the dev version of plugins, and then cange the config files.

it is not because of i dont know how to downgrade, but it is because i dont want to, as other server are updated to 1.2.3 and then i cant play on them without switching jar every time i start minecraft ...

Once again, if you have a problem with switching jar files, use a jar switcher, i use the NoBS minecraft Jar switcher, and I have a crapton of jar files, ranging from 1.1 minimap and tmi to 1.8.1 tales of kingdoms. All you need to do is ask, and ill send it either over skype or some other way.

i just said that i dont have a problem with it, i just dont want to do it, and in that case we downgrate server to 1.1 , i will not be on before server is up to 1.2.3, and i think this will be the same for many others

Tek wrote:

Pochama999 wrote:

Pochama999 wrote:I think that as long as people are okay with downgrading, that shouldnt be a problem. And if they do have issues with jar files and stuff, id be more than happy to let them use my jar switcher along with my arsenal of jar files.

Tek wrote:i would say stay on 1.2.3 and get the latest version (dev version) and the dev version of plugins, and then cange the config files.

it is not because of i dont know how to downgrade, but it is because i dont want to, as other server are updated to 1.2.3 and then i cant play on them without switching jar every time i start minecraft ...

Once again, if you have a problem with switching jar files, use a jar switcher, i use the NoBS minecraft Jar switcher, and I have a crapton of jar files, ranging from 1.1 minimap and tmi to 1.8.1 tales of kingdoms. All you need to do is ask, and ill send it either over skype or some other way.

i just said that i dont have a problem with it, i just dont want to do it, and in that case we downgrate server to 1.1 , i will not be on before server is up to 1.2.3, and i think this will be the same for many others

Well yeah, by problem i mean, you don't want to do it. Its not a difficult thing to do as long as you have a jar switcher, all you do is click on which jar you want to use, click the Start Minecraft button, and boom, your done. If you wanna choose a different jar, just exit out of your current minecraft window and select the jar you want. If that still isn't easy enough, i dont really know what to say other than ill see you on 1.2.3.

Give es and I some time and we'll work on the update. Both of us are quite busy right now

wahakalol wrote:Give es and I some time and we'll work on the update. Both of us are quite busy right now

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hey be happy that es and waha take the time money and effort to even keep the server up. thanks guys

achievement get: brownnosing

IM ALL FOR DOWNGRADING!

I have begun the process of reenabling the bukkit build. Please note that at this time, Jobs and Towny are confirmed as out of action. More plugins are also likely malfunctioning, so please point them out if you see anything wrong. The server console can't handle all the error messages.

Also, due to recent format changes, HeroChat's chat display is totally buggered. So hold on for a bit till we get that sorted.

Im gona test the plugins and find the problems, so far all looking ok apart from:

Donators cant speak in chat (dont know about other hero chat problems)
Money is reset but the plugin is working
Logbook, although i dont know if thats enabled or not on the temp map
Mcmmo is working but the commands have changed see /mcmmo help for details
/lvt is borkd
It appears Lottery has reset to use gold ingots rather than money
cant get movecraft to work although that might just be me

Other than that all testable plugins appear to work; LWC, lottery, enchanting, chest shops,falsebook, MyWarp, Nocheat (yes I had to cheat on a non admin account to test this :O) and any others that i cant think of all work

Also not sure which plugin does this but fall dmg is back to being off so thats working to.

Yeah herochat is acting strangely, still can't figure out why the chat color is green.

iConomy is running fine, it's Jobs that's having trouble, it can't access its old database for some really stupid reason. Hopefully the Jobs dev team can fix it, but if not, eek. I dun wanna recreate the database by hand.

LogBlock is still spazzing out, hasn't been upgraded to 1.2.x yet.

lvt will be updated after the security-centric plugins are back online.

About lottery... lol. That is all.

Movecraft is also likely broken, so I'll have to take a look at what's causing it.

Fall damage is moderated by WorldGuard, so that's a good sign.

Esarai wrote:Yeah herochat is acting strangely, still can't figure out why the chat color is green.

iConomy is running fine, it's Jobs that's having trouble, it can't access its old database for some really stupid reason. Hopefully the Jobs dev team can fix it, but if not, eek. I dun wanna recreate the database by hand.

LogBlock is still spazzing out, hasn't been upgraded to 1.2.x yet.

lvt will be updated after the security-centric plugins are back online.

About lottery... lol. That is all.

Movecraft is also likely broken, so I'll have to take a look at what's causing it.

Fall damage is moderated by WorldGuard, so that's a good sign.

ok ive tried everything with herochat and so far ive solved nothing but worked out that we can talk, and its green because we're in the 'staff' group on the config file. However it still thinks that all players are automatically in Global (as it should) adding groups to the permissions for global doesn't seem to do anything. I have absolutely no idea whats happened and think we should possibly consider re installing the plugin or looking for another one to use temporarily ie. essentials chat.

P.S TNT dmg is off as well and super pick is actually now working (which it hasnt been since 1.0)